Saturday, March 12, 2016

Athol Fugard: 'The Play-Writing Process' And A Difference Between Actors and Musicians



This isn't a lecture, it is great that someone as renowned as Athol Fugard insisted it be something other than a lecture and that it involve other points of view other than his.   What came out of that is a discussion among Athol Fugard  Jez Butterworth and Rebecca Lenkiewicz about writing plays, how working on and seeing a play produced effects the work and the effect that collaboration as well as other experiences of the writer has on the play.   It reminded me of what the American playwright,  Madeleine George had to say about her experience of having her play, The Zero Hour, mounted in a production as part of the 13P experiment in playwrights taking charge and being the artistic directors of their own work.  Especially what Fugard said about having to be an actor and the director of his plays in the beginning of his career because he was the only one who was going to do them.  George's talking about how it was necessary for her to go through the same steps in order to really come to terms with her own play was something that musicians know from our everyday experience, the difference being that theater is always and inevitably a collaborative creation and what you come up with as "the play" is going to always be a joint creation.  I doubt that even many of the monologuists do their own costume, sets, lighting, etc. 

I had gone to look at various ways that artists had come up with to mount the performance of their work, short of coming up with a corporate company or school or something. In reading about it, 13P is interesting and I'm sure there are lots of things that can be learned from it but I don't think it would work with music because what you do to do music isn't the same thing as putting on a play.  But listening to the 13 playwrights and the several people who acted as executive staff for the project was really interesting. 

It does make me wonder why more actors, directors, etc. don't get together and "do" plays that they will never, otherwise get to perform.  How many times is there a production of any of the major works of the repertoire during any year or decade as compared to the number of good or even just ambitious actor who should have the experience of playing that role?   I've never heard of actors getting together to work on a reading performance or a chamber performance the way that musicians inevitably do, without any prospect of performing the piece in public.   I think that's one of the things you can generally tell, seeing an actor who has done some kind of performance of things in performance and those who just do movies or TV.   Maybe those wouldn't stink as much if the actors who do them had done more acting of things worth thinking about.

My reading of the "bad plays" attributed to Shakespeare has led me to reading a lot more plays, something I used to do a lot of.   I've read dozens of times more plays than I've ever seen, in person or on TV.   Have to say that I'm really enjoying it, a lot.

Hate Update:  I've known a fair few actors and a few directors and I never heard of them getting together to work on a play apart from a theatrical production.  I don't recall ever reading about actors getting together in the way that musicians get together to play chamber music or even 4-hand versions of symphonic work.  It must be a deeply secret practice among them or you're just doing what you always do, lying.

Hate Update 2:   Produce a description of actors getting together, outside of the context of a theatrical production or other performance to go through a play the way that musicians will study chamber music together, something published in a book or even a magazine, not some bogus claim that you sort of remember.

10 comments:

  1. I have a degree in theater, you twit.

    Do the research yourself. Or keep humiliating yourself by proclaiming your profound ignorance of the subject so proudly.

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    1. You made the claim, back it up. If you're so expert in the topic it should be easy for you to do so. Obviously you can't. I guess it wasn't as rigorous a program as my music major was.

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  2. Prove you were a music major, dipshit. A recording of you playing something would help, as lousy as I'm sure it would be.

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    1. Ah, you're trying to wriggle out of it because you know you can't back up your claim. Don't worry, Simps, the Eschatots don't care if you're a big fat liar, they couldn't care less about the truth. And I'd imagine anyone who knows you in real life knows that you're the Baron von Munchausen of your tiny little fringe of commercial muzak scribbling.

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  3. Simpy Sales is telling me to "keep digging", as if I were the one who made a claim that I can't back up instead of him. He really is a child and about as bright as a totally dark black box space. I mean without even emergency lights on. I don't know why what he says reminds me of an even stupider David Mammet. Well, as someone once put it, "David Mamet is either completely obsessed with himself or a total idiot. Which is it"? Only, as Simps shows, you can be both.

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  4. Uh, actually, you totally made a claim you can't back up. It's wonderful that you keep doubling down on it.
    :-)

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    1. I can back up my claim, I have, as a matter of fact, never known actors to get together to go through complete plays, even the greatest plays in the repertoire, in order to get to act the roles outside of the context of a theatrical production of the plays. I have never read of actors doing that on their own, I have never heard of them even going through plays with a small cast the way that musicians of any ability get together and play through the significant pieces in the repertoire of their instrument without any expectation of it being part of a concert program. The vast majority of pianist, violinists, etc. who study the concerto repertoire of their instrument do so knowing, full well, that they will not ever play it with an orchestra, the do it to deepen their musicianship and to become intimately familiar with great works of music. And most pianists of any ability will play through, for example, 4-hand reductions of symphonies, string quartets, etc. in order to become familiar with pieces that aren't part of their instrument's concert repertoire, many composers, especially in the past, published 4-hand scores of their major symphonic and often the string quartet literature for exactly that purpose

      Acting class is hardly the same thing that I'm talking about, doing an entire piece in order to actually act roles they would almost certainly never, otherwise, get a chance to perform on stage. I have never read of any actors getting together to do that sort of thing and, obviously, you haven't either or you would be able to refer to actors writing about doing that. I think it would probably result in fewer crappy actors and maybe even fewer crappy plays and non-commercial movies if that were done. I think that has something to do with why so many American actor are so much worse than Canadians, Brits, Germans, etc. who do often act on stage. Americans on't have a subsidized theater system and it shows in all too many cases. Replacing it with the stupid method bull shit has probably done more to make actors neurotic than it has to produce better acting. Oh, yes, that's right, I've dissed the great NYC institution of The Method, haven't I. Well, as Larry Olivier is said to have told Dustin Hoffman when, in a desperate attempt to get "authenticity" in a scene by depriving himself of sleep, knowing how to act without resorting to that nonsense is a lot easier. I've never known a musician to play better for having intentionally deprived himself of sleep. I doubt any opera singer would be stupid enough to think it would make their performance better.

      You've been writing about music without knowing anything about it your entire chronological adult life, at least I've tried to find out what I'm talking about in this case.

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  5. Ah, Canada. The country that gave us such Thespic masters as Lorne Green.

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    1. William Hutt, Martha Burns, Tom McCamus, Rachel McAdams....

      Your ignorance is no surprise, considering what clearly formed your experience, Hollywood and TV. Though you probably only know any of them for their money work in American produced crap so you'll snark about that too.

      I could have mentioned the waste of great actors who spend too much time doing commercial crap instead of working on more challenging stuff, something that they could do apart from a theatrical production. That's another benefit of doing that which musicians take advantage of. If they did that actors would probably not have such a reputation for being brainless and superficial, though I guess that would mean they'd lose you for a customer.

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    2. Simps is whining about actors having to wear costumes when they play, as if that clinches his argument. I guess he doesn't consider a tux a costume, not to mention that the closest of all musicians to actors, opera singers, regularly wear costumes that make most theater togs look like leisurewear, as they sing their roles - often some of the most difficult music in the vocal repertoire - most often in foreign languages.

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